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so I have an interview coming up here in

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a minute with Jeff riddle who's created

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a very interesting new podcast it seeks

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to take some of the big picture issues

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we'd like to talk about on skeptic oh

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who are we why are we here and look at

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them through kind of how would we put

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those into action to maybe make some

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changes in our life radical idea I don't

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think the interview meets a lot more of

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an introduction than that let's get

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right to my chat with Jeff riddle

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welcome to skeptic Oh where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading scholars thinkers and their

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critics today we welcome Jeff riddle to

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skeptic Oh Jeff is the creator and host

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of a rather amazing new podcast called

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transcend you can see it up on the

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screen if you're watching this on

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YouTube a transformational podcast

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experience so Jeff welcome to skeptic oh

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thanks so much for joining me

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thanks Alex glad to be here you know so

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I just introduced you as this podcast

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host and creator which you are you're

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also I guess we might throw out the term

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life coach but I know you don't like

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that term maybe transformation agent we

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could throw in there but I think it's

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kind of cool to throw that out there to

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something we're probably going to want

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to talk about in the show a little bit

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in terms of how what you do fits into

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the broader landscape of things so do

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you want to maybe unpack that a little

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bit well yeah transcend is something

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that's come out of a desire to not be a

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yeah the thing about coach is in theory

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classic the the original term of the

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word the idea of like a coach and a

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flight coach you're moving people

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forward you don't actually pick the

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destination in theory you just help them

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get where they want to

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go but I feel like the industry has

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really been co-opted by a very different

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type of approach that doesn't really

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resemble the true meaning of the word

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and so for a long time I've kind of

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skirted the the question what do you do

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background and try to have to talk about

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it because it's it's not something that

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mass way that people think of coaching

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or life coaching cool let me jump in

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there right away then and give folks a

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taste for what you do envision what you

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the beginning and rather than set it up

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at all and then you can kind of tell us

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what we heard so here goes

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this is transcend episode to mother to

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son a poem by Claudia axle who was born

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in May of 1955 died in May of 2004 no

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thing is ever worth anything if you

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heart fear in the forests of your soul

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and wisdom rarely comes when you are

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seeking it there are worlds within

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worlds out there and sometimes places

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where the love will have to come from

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you alone and you will have to wonder

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about that and call me up even if

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there's no phone to remember where you

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got it but that's okay because one way

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flutter free and just keep saying thank

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Claudia axle had lived her life as a

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teacher and a mom but in her heart she

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was an artist and her passion was her

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writing she was also an eternal optimist

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things would be better so it was a bit

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day that we recorded this our guest

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today Martin storoe woke up to his

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father sitting on the edge of his bed

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preparing to tell him that his mom

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whadya had passed away from cancer in

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the night great stuff so Jeff tell us

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um it's a story about an artist Mars our

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subject Martin is a musician he's been a

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professional musician for a while and we

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the death of his mom but really into

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relation to death through three songs

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that he wrote over eight years and in

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those songs we hear his evolution in

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writing about it and and there's a

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highlight some really raw and and

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challenging things that we don't

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the mainstream and that's kind of the

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the objective transcend buzzer and this

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story is about is really about death and

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mortality and we're just starting to

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touch on that topic which is often not

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you are so succinct man I don't you know

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your point and then that's it so I am

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gonna move on to the next thing because

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that's perfect I think it gives folks a

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sense for what you're really reaching

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for here which is bold and quite amazing

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so you're to be commended for that and

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they really need to check out transcend

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and what you're doing so from this point

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into exploring what you're bringing all

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you're bringing in how it fits in with

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kind of where I'm coming from and

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skeptical and see where the the

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crossover is and just have this ongoing

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conversation that I love to have with

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people and I'm really looking forward to

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having with you so one of the ways I

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definitions and we may be handled the

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first one on this but let's handle it

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again and that is beyond life-coach

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which you addressed you know what about

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coach what does it mean to coach and you

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great definition but I want to come at

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it from a different way and maybe

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restore if we can but the the positives

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about a coach and how we all encounter

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coaching in our life and benefit from

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coaching you know life and sometimes

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it's good sometimes it's bad and in

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particular you and I both sports was a

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big part of our life growing up coach

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had a whole different set of meanings so

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term coach yeah I mean we both come from

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athletic background which is I think

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what I liked about your work was that

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there was that lens to it or that flavor

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but I mean I've been around some great

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coaches I've been around some terrible

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coaches and and I think it's a term that

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you earn it's not something that is

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handed to you might play the role but

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they their attention is is on an outcome

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that you set so they're really focused

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on how to help you or your team move

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toward some destination that you

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collectively agree on or you

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baseball coach my goal is professional

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baseball and I got injured but you know

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for him he wanted me to help the team

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and my goals and was focused on helping

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me get there and I had a lot of support

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distinction in the nature of a coach is

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you're starting from a place and

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focusing on where you're trying to get

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to you there's a destination that you

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decide and their job is to feel

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that movement that direction I really

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add to that I like that so much so let's

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move on to the next one the title of

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your show yeah what does that mean right

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what does that mean and also let's play

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around with the idea of transformation

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transcend it's tied to this word called

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transformation and that brings up the

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kind of hidden question of from what to

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what kind of things so tell us what

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word and I think that's part of the joy

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of this project is that transitioning

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more in this direction for me

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professionally and getting to spend more

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time in this it's allowing me to go

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deeper into this question like what is

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that what is it that we're transcending

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what it well you know it where are we

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sort of denouncing the ridiculous

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dopey materialism that formulated three

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ridiculous and silly they were and yet

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we think we have it figured out now and

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we have to have the email to know that

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in 400 years people in the future gonna

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look at us and just think how silly and

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stupid we were for the things we didn't

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believe there's a humility in that and

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something and yet we don't know where

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motion but we don't really know where

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we're gonna get to and we're gonna die

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without ever having yet that got in

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the physical sense so so when I so that

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the word transcend when we pick that

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word it came with this question and I

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think that's the thing that's it but

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that's a joy for me because I love

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digging into these questions and that's

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where I'm left with with transcend now

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my goal for people is transformation to

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help them change and grow in whatever

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form that means for them but really

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the professional goal

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transformative experience you know

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the beach in Del Mar and I was like man

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presentation because it's so powerful on

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a lot of different levels and in the way

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obviously you're also tapping into the

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deeper personal spiritual understanding

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of hey man what we're never we're never

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gonna get there we never really are away

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from where we came we're always in the

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middle you know I think that's that's

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really cool so I'll tell you what those

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are two great definitions that we kind

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of wrapped up here let me move into the

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kind of skeptical process that I've been

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hung up on lately I think there's a lot

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of tie ins to your work but I like

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always reflecting it back to this three

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step process or applying it to this

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three step process because it helps me

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see where different guests are in

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relation to the stuff that I'm

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interested in working in so for me step

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one of that process is to follow the

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data you know I always follow the data

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wherever it leads kind of thing but you

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know really in preparing for this

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episode and listening to what you've put

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together I actually had a slightly

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different take on this and I love where

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it took me because what I realized in

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this may seem really obvious but we all

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have our own data so following the data

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is both you know the real part of

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following the data that's out there but

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we have our own data and not in a kind

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of fake you know oh every snowflake is

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unique kind of way but in a way that I

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have some real stuff that I've figured

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out in my life experience that I bring

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to the table as my data and I can share

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that with you and you probably don't

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know it and let me tell it to you kind

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of things so I thought we might talk a

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minute or you might talk a minute about

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what's your data

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you mentioned the baseball thing that's

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part of your data you know some stuff

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from that but what else is your tell us

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about that data and tell us what other

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data you have yeah well there's a

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paradox here in that the position the

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professional stance and the work that I

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do and even in trying to produce these

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these trends and episodes is to remove

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myself as much as I can from it

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it's one of my beefs with the industry

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is that people come in and say look what

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I've done

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look at me I'm great I have a private

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jet or you know a fancy car they get on

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Facebook and take pictures of themself

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in that way and then they use that to

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shame people into feeling like they

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don't have what they have and that's

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what gets them to buy so and I mean

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we'll get into this but I have a huge

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issue with that approach I actually

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think it reinforces the problem it

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literally the industry that I'm in

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actually recreates more of the problems

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so that they can continue to sustain and

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and so there's a dilemma there and the

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data in the sense that my life

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experience and what I've learned

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actually is irrelevant in the work but

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as far as someone feeling comfortable or

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safe or feeling like hey this guy is

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something to say you certainly there's

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there's a back there's a background and

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there's some history there so obviously

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baseball in a pursuit of professional

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baseball and through college and then I

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end up getting injured and I actually

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share that in the first episode as you

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heard and my story and and that was a

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huge part I was a catcher it's a really

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heady position you're controlling the

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pitcher you're dealing with the umpire

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and then I was also asked to be a hitter

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for the team and you know you're

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constantly failing that's that is your

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experience in baseball as you fail three

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out of four times and you're considered

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great and having to learn to deal with

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failure and also be a student and you

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know pursuing this dream and all these

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other things it kind of grew me up

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quickly and then the real story and it

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took me a long time to figure this out

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it's what I told him the first episode

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was that after that I kind of went on

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this Renaissance

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man mission where I went building

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workout I joined a band and toured and

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then I started some businesses and had

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some successes and failures and I kept

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jumping from thing to thing and for a

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long time I thought I was just a

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Renaissance man and who was you know

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liberated and who was like I'm not

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following Convention and what I really

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had realized it took me a while was that

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I was just running from a lot of pain

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that was in my past so I lost my mom

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when I was 19 and it had been a long

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journey ever since I was a kid she

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basically had cancer and so I was a

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witness to that and and I just got into

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this loop of trying to stay in it's this

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complex thing but I started I was trying

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to stay in suffering or struggle to kind

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of stay connected to her and it took me

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a long time to be able to move beyond

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that and get comfortable making an

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alternative choice where I was no longer

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gonna try to struggle to be in

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connection with my mom and just in

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connection to life so so that that

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journey really brought me to where I am

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today and and informs a lot of my work

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but but again that data is is helpful in

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that there's life experience there and

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yet it actually is kind of irrelevant

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when you're actually helping somebody or

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working with somebody or trying to be

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help somebody be in a transformative

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state my experience actually is

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irrelevant to to their well-being and

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that's that situation we can expound on

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that a bit but maybe no no I can't

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challenge that because that's your

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that's your take on it and it's your

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thing that you do I guess you know where

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I'm coming at it from like a skeptic Oh

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perspective and the show and that is

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that what your first two episodes helped

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me see and the way that you just were

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very kind of honest there about diving

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deep into yourself is that you know you

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do have a perspective that you're

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bringing that is based on something more

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than just experience in the bad sense

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experience in the sense of the way that

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people hide from any analysis or any

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criticism about their beliefs

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you know like hey man you can't

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challenge me this is my experience you

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know which I'm on hand a I'm not here to

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challenge any what about their

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experience but on the other hand kind of

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from a skeptical perspective I'm gonna

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say well I'm interested in your

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experience as it fits in with the

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broader set of experiences that I might

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look at so let's say we're going to take

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near-death experience and we have

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somebody who says you know my experience

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is there's seitan down there and the

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flames are gonna you know lick your feet

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when you get down there like hey that is

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your experience it doesn't fit in with

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the broader experience that I went and

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studied and looked up so you know let's

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have both of those on the table and and

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I guess to reel that back to the

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transcend moment is I feel like you're

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bringing something in a way in terms of

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saying well no look I have a perspective

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on this and here is my perspective and

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here is the way we're going to tackle

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this thing because the other part of

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that that I mentioned that I really

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thought was great I want to commend you

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on is because you are this baseball guy

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you are this successful guy who has a

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successful family has a successful

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career and yet here you are talking

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about love and talking about you know

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connection and and all this stuff but

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you're not doing it in a you know oh I'm

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in touch with my feminine side kind of

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way you're not denying that you might be

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in touch with the feminine side but

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you're not leading with that in some

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kind of a cartoonish way you're just

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saying to me you're saying this is my

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data my data is yeah you know this is

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what it takes to be successful over in

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this part of life and this is what it

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takes to be successful in figuring out

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you know these wounds that I've had you

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know that we all haven't and how to move

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forward with them do you what do you

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when somebody when I finally work with

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somebody they're usually in so much pain

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about whatever it is they're going

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through and and nobody wants to talk

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about that like nobody wants to talk

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about both sides of that the binary of

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that the pain and the love the what they

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want is to feel loved if you hold to

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feel complete and they feel not whole

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they feel worthless they feel separate

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of shamed whatever right and so many

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people are experiencing that and nobody

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wants to talk about the hard stuff and

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nobody wants to dig into the hard stuff

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and I think that's that is part of my

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experience is then and I don't know why

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I'm an I'm sure I could dissect where it

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came from but learning to just bravely

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walk towards some really hard things and

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and then being in it and being in the

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middle and accepting that there's no

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destination and at the same time getting

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somewhere

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seeing progress seeing growth and I

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think that's informed me and this

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project and in in my work and just in

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general in life is is not being afraid

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and kind of running towards them full

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steam and and what's coming out of that

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is a real rawness and people are

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responding really positively and some of

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the things that I was hoping would work

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are working in a way that I was really

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surprised by already and we're only on

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Episode two I mean we're doing this

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interview I'm already getting those

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responses from people saying wow this

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was transforming transformative it

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helped me with this or this or that and

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and I and it's because we're just

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dealing with the hard stuff we're

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dealing with the with stuff that people

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are just really afraid to deal with or

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well vulnerability is is having the

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courage to talk about something you

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don't want to talk about and there are

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people who either don't talk about it or

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they talk about it too much and it's not

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courage it's not courageous they're just

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over sharing and it's like where's that

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middle ground to really be real with

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people and expose what's really what

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it's like to be human in general and

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certainly today I like that and I

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particularly like this charging in kind

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of thing again I think that's what

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you're bringing is a unique that's your

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data to a certain extent that you're

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following that but that's what it takes

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to overcome tough things is that ability

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to charge in but let me leave Ephraim if

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I kind of found at that point because

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the other thing that I'm where I'm

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coming from is this idea of look for the

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conspiracy and your show and my

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interactions with you maybe rethink that

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as well because it's important to me but

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I realized it doesn't really directly

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relate to your work and then I thought

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you know what maybe it does because what

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I think the conspiracy thing is really

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all about for me is this idea of how can

543
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:49,400
this be and that is being willing to be

544
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:52,880
uncomfortable with the craziness that we

545
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:54,890
might encounter now for me you know why

546
00:23:00,190 --> 00:22:57,610
science is wrong it was the craziness of

547
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:00,200
we are biological robots in a

548
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:02,330
meaningless universe and the craziness

549
00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:04,490
that is that no one really believes that

550
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:06,980
at least no one lives their life like

551
00:23:11,710 --> 00:23:09,410
that even people who claim that they do

552
00:23:14,650 --> 00:23:11,720
they don't right and yet

553
00:23:17,380 --> 00:23:14,660
we go and we walk our kids to school and

554
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,390
we hold their hand and we say go on into

555
00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:19,520
science class and that's what they're

556
00:23:25,420 --> 00:23:23,080
gonna teach you and then we let them go

557
00:23:28,030 --> 00:23:25,430
psychologist and that's what they tell

558
00:23:31,030 --> 00:23:28,040
them and we just let it go on and we

559
00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:31,040
don't stop and say how can this be how

560
00:23:39,370 --> 00:23:34,540
can we not be openly challenging this

561
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:39,380
craziness and I think when we get there

562
00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:42,050
and when we are willing to say you know

563
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:45,340
what I'm willing to deal with the crazy

564
00:23:52,810 --> 00:23:49,370
uncomfortableness that there is this how

565
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:52,820
can this be moment and I'm willing to

566
00:23:58,150 --> 00:23:56,090
take a different course if necessary you

567
00:24:01,930 --> 00:23:58,160
know I'm willing to say you know what no

568
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,940
I I will not stand by and and just let

569
00:24:06,730 --> 00:24:04,400
this happen I will not I may not you

570
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:06,740
know get out there and wave a banner in

571
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:09,110
the street and stop traffic but I will

572
00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:12,650
not go along willingly with stuff that I

573
00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:15,590
think doesn't only fit my belief systems

574
00:24:21,490 --> 00:24:18,820
but in general I think is harmful for

575
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:21,500
society or culture even my family you

576
00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:25,850
know so with that I guess I teared up

577
00:24:35,050 --> 00:24:30,670
you know what's your how can this be

578
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:35,060
moment question either in your work

579
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:37,190
before transcend or through the

580
00:24:43,390 --> 00:24:40,400
transcend experience it's happening in

581
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,400
both but transcend actually the episode

582
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:45,440
I'm working on right now I've got three

583
00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:47,090
weeks to put together a story and

584
00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:49,430
there's a reason why only NPR people to

585
00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:51,350
storytelling is there their medium

586
00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:54,590
because it's really freaking hard and

587
00:24:59,170 --> 00:24:56,990
I'm I just decided I was gonna do that

588
00:25:00,640 --> 00:24:59,180
because to me it's it it's the way that

589
00:25:02,860 --> 00:25:00,650
this is gonna work if I can't do that

590
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:02,870
it's not gonna work so I have to figure

591
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:04,850
it out but one of the questions that's

592
00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:09,110
coming up in this story is is do we even

593
00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:12,350
transcend anything is that even like I'm

594
00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:14,390
basically gonna question the entire show

595
00:25:19,030 --> 00:25:16,340
or that like the brand of the show

596
00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:19,040
transcend and the name in the episode

597
00:25:25,030 --> 00:25:22,430
and so there's this even right now I'm

598
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:25,040
like in that like what is it is it

599
00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:27,170
anything like through looking at

600
00:25:31,570 --> 00:25:29,240
someone's story but so I'm in that right

601
00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:31,580
now and it's been kind of a huge

602
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:33,860
challenge but then in my work and what

603
00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:36,650
led me to do this project was that I

604
00:25:43,090 --> 00:25:40,340
mean come on how many people have tried

605
00:25:45,610 --> 00:25:43,100
to die and how many times have they try

606
00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:45,620
to die and we all know that [\h__\h] doesn't

607
00:25:50,770 --> 00:25:47,630
work like we all know it doesn't work

608
00:25:53,020 --> 00:25:50,780
and yet it's it's this you know 70

609
00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:53,030
billion dollar industry there's

610
00:25:58,900 --> 00:25:55,070
countless pills and products and

611
00:26:00,900 --> 00:25:58,910
services and it's ridiculous and to me

612
00:26:04,750 --> 00:26:00,910
that's like the whole self-help

613
00:26:06,790 --> 00:26:04,760
psychology health you can lump that

614
00:26:08,410 --> 00:26:06,800
whole world together and we all know it

615
00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:08,420
doesn't work and yet we keep buying into

616
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:14,060
it and I have a real issue with that it

617
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:16,130
gets me like so angry and it's why I

618
00:26:20,170 --> 00:26:17,690
literally would go to a party

619
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:20,180
so my wife and I recently moved from we

620
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:21,230
were San Francisco we moved to the

621
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:24,050
Midwest and to be near family and and I

622
00:26:27,910 --> 00:26:25,580
fortunately don't have any clients here

623
00:26:29,470 --> 00:26:27,920
so I get the the wonderful opportunity

624
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:29,480
never having to talk about my work here

625
00:26:33,370 --> 00:26:30,890
without having any consequence

626
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:33,380
whatsoever but my wife gets so annoyed

627
00:26:36,910 --> 00:26:34,490
to me because people ask me the question

628
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:36,920
like what do you do and I will she goes

629
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,930
you sound creepy like you're not you're

630
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:40,880
skirting the question you know I'll just

631
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:43,010
like dance around it and not really tell

632
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,050
him the answer and she just gets so

633
00:26:48,130 --> 00:26:46,640
angry with me she's like you sound like

634
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:48,140
a creep and so maybe you're not talking

635
00:26:55,390 --> 00:26:49,850
about work but now you sound worse you

636
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,400
know and and so and I and I script the

637
00:26:59,860 --> 00:26:57,200
question because I hate saying I'm a

638
00:27:01,290 --> 00:26:59,870
coach I can't stand the word because

639
00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:01,300
it's aligned with this whole industry

640
00:27:07,570 --> 00:27:04,790
where we keep buying into this idea that

641
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:07,580
like hey if you just take some pills or

642
00:27:12,850 --> 00:27:10,850
do this diet or you know look at me I

643
00:27:14,410 --> 00:27:12,860
have a fancy Ferrari and if you just pay

644
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:14,420
me ten thousand dollars you can have

645
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:18,930
this - it's just it's a sham

646
00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:21,990
it drives me it drives me crazy there's

647
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:23,550
not an integrity there's no barrier to

648
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:26,400
entry and yet it's this you know

649
00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:28,260
everybody's rah rah and no one wants to

650
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:29,430
talk about the fact that when you change

651
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:32,340
it hurts and just the whole thing drives

652
00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:33,690
me absolutely bonkers

653
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:36,390
and so transcend is my little okay I'm

654
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:38,310
gonna maybe push against the industry a

655
00:27:43,910 --> 00:27:41,850
little bit and try to try to in a public

656
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:43,920
way do something meaningful that bucks

657
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:46,770
the trend my own little skeptical of my

658
00:27:50,270 --> 00:27:48,810
industry and try to take people on a

659
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:50,280
journey where I can actually help them

660
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:52,050
have the experiences they want and call

661
00:27:55,670 --> 00:27:54,090
out the [\h__\h] whether I do it

662
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:55,680
directly or not I'm not sure yet

663
00:28:01,640 --> 00:27:58,110
but certainly start to move the needle

664
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,650
in the way I think is meaningful yeah I

665
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:04,740
Drive it just anyway I just am drives me

666
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:05,640
nuts drives me nuts

667
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:08,490
great so you know we've kind of gone

668
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:10,950
through my thing follow the data look

669
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,370
for the conspiracy my third step is find

670
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:16,440
the deep spirituality and again this is

671
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:20,700
an easy link between me and you and what

672
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:23,640
we're all about I mean I think anyone

673
00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:27,120
who's like a decent person at all what

674
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:29,790
we'd consider you know a moral good

675
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:31,710
person unless you're like really an evil

676
00:28:37,790 --> 00:28:34,890
dude finding the deep spirituality is

677
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:37,800
saying hey what propels me forward what

678
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:42,930
moves me better you know and in that

679
00:28:48,610 --> 00:28:45,450
sense though I think implied in what

680
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,620
you're saying is a question that I keep

681
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:51,840
banging against and it is implied and I

682
00:28:56,150 --> 00:28:53,910
love making it explicit here in this

683
00:29:00,560 --> 00:28:56,160
show and in a couple other shows which I

684
00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:00,570
have and that is for you and I we're all

685
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:02,630
about keeping score

686
00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:05,310
coaches keep score players keep score

687
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,680
people who are of that mindset keep

688
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,020
score and what that means is what works

689
00:29:15,140 --> 00:29:12,960
what doesn't what's effective what

690
00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:15,150
propels us forward and being brave

691
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:17,190
enough when we really contrast it you

692
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:19,020
know you're kind of maybe getting on the

693
00:29:23,150 --> 00:29:21,390
coach change life coaching industry hey

694
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:23,160
I talked to all sorts of

695
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:25,470
transformational people you know I just

696
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:26,970
spoke with a woman whose last episode

697
00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:28,710
you know I should have been in total

698
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:30,750
sync with this person she is so into

699
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:31,630
yoga

700
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,690
so India she's so into psychology and

701
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:36,640
it's crossover with yoga which i think

702
00:29:40,830 --> 00:29:37,360
is awesome

703
00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:40,840
I couldn't I want to second stander but

704
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:42,280
I couldn't stand her I'm so frustrated

705
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:44,650
it's so such a frustrating interview

706
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:47,770
because she's not really interested in

707
00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:49,660
what works and what doesn't

708
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:51,400
she said well everyone has their own

709
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:54,700
thing you know I'm like this relativism

710
00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:57,250
that just washes everything away to the

711
00:30:03,180 --> 00:29:59,170
point where we can't get down and say

712
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:03,190
okay yeah I can't definitively say this

713
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:05,530
is better than this but I do want to

714
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:09,610
know what works in what ever since I can

715
00:30:14,220 --> 00:30:11,260
measure it with whatever limitations

716
00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:14,230
there are two measuring it so with that

717
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:17,230
I thought we'd have some real fun you

718
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:19,510
and I kind of fun stuff that we can do

719
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,290
you know I've mentioned Tony Robbins on

720
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,080
this show a couple times and that is

721
00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:28,240
like death knell

722
00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:31,660
you know Tony Robbins cult you know and

723
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,790
you can say like I did that hey man I

724
00:30:37,410 --> 00:30:35,440
was into self-improvement I read 200

725
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:37,420
books I was doing everything I could to

726
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:41,590
be successful people do not hear that

727
00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:44,110
they hear Tony Robbins Tony Robbins

728
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:46,120
you're in a cult you know that's all

729
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:49,270
people can hear I just had an interview

730
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:51,910
conversation just a couple episodes ago

731
00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:53,590
and it went exactly like that

732
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:54,940
you know and the [\h__\h] Robbins thing

733
00:30:58,410 --> 00:30:56,890
comes up in this guy goes oh mate you

734
00:31:00,390 --> 00:30:58,420
know I know all about Tony right school

735
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:00,400
setting right it's goal setting right I

736
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,350
know but you really don't know anything

737
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:04,480
about its goal setting right you know

738
00:31:10,530 --> 00:31:08,170
I'm like you know you don't really know

739
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:10,540
what you're talking about and what I

740
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:12,250
want to tee up for people who don't know

741
00:31:18,890 --> 00:31:14,410
I'll dive deeper into the Tony Robbins

742
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:18,900
thing just to just to tee up this

743
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:22,210
coaching thing and this thing of what

744
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:27,270
works here's Tony Robbins amazing video

745
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:30,940
it kind of explains itself but it's him

746
00:31:35,970 --> 00:31:34,150
doing one session with the guy who's

747
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:35,980
struggled with stuttering for thirty

748
00:31:57,810 --> 00:31:53,830
Phil I bump stuttered and remember my

749
00:32:02,760 --> 00:31:57,820
freshman year of college one of the

750
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:02,770
first courses that I took was this beach

751
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:08,210
class and I throws the greater I

752
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:13,600
received was an F I went from a

753
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:18,110
full-time Coast dudn't on scholarship to

754
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:32,470
[Music]

755
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,200
for yourself now Lauren says I am three

756
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:39,840
the warrior says or instead I am

757
00:32:45,109 --> 00:32:42,179
brilliant that's right the warrior says

758
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:45,119
words that I am electric the warrior

759
00:33:12,190 --> 00:32:48,600
says ask the Warriors do you need to

760
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:14,840
so I got a hold back the tears every

761
00:33:20,270 --> 00:33:18,720
time I see that that clip but it ends I

762
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:20,280
didn't play it but he stands up in front

763
00:33:24,530 --> 00:33:22,380
of these 5000 people and gives a speech

764
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:24,540
and all the rest of stuff so what we

765
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:26,550
ought to note a couple of things one is

766
00:33:33,890 --> 00:33:31,620
that people who are skeptical I don't

767
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:33,900
know what they'll say but this guy tried

768
00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:36,530
everything right he went to all sorts of

769
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:38,660
psychologists to see what his deep

770
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:41,820
underlying pain was he went to speech

771
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:44,370
therapists for years and years but guy

772
00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:46,110
is a successful guy the guy chose a

773
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:49,020
career in sales which I mean how old is

774
00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:51,990
this human being to say despite this

775
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:54,180
obstacle I have that's what I'm gonna

776
00:33:58,670 --> 00:33:56,850
choose but that's what he chose and here

777
00:34:00,640 --> 00:33:58,680
is a guy with a very specific set of

778
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,650
techniques that is Tony Robbins if you

779
00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:03,360
read his work if you go to his seminars

780
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:05,550
if you learn it's not just you know

781
00:34:09,139 --> 00:34:07,410
getting people to scream therapy or

782
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:09,149
anything like that it's very precise

783
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:12,290
what he does and it seems to be

784
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:15,570
extremely effective I don't know who

785
00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:17,879
else in the world could transform

786
00:34:23,899 --> 00:34:21,659
somebodies life in one session of 10

787
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:23,909
minutes but he did it he's to be

788
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:26,190
commended for that the other part of

789
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:30,510
that that I really loved equally as much

790
00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:32,129
as all that is what we just talked about

791
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:33,899
what does the guy say at the end what

792
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:34,610
does he say

793
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:38,879
what's next coach this guy is a winner

794
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:41,010
man I'm telling you I would bet on that

795
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,050
guy I just bet on him for life it's like

796
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:49,440
I just overcame the biggest challenge

797
00:34:56,090 --> 00:34:53,250
obstacle in my life what's next coach so

798
00:34:58,460 --> 00:34:56,100
I just wanted to juxtapose that with all

799
00:35:01,640 --> 00:34:58,470
the dissing you've been doing on

800
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:01,650
coaching cuz man coaching has a place we

801
00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:03,810
don't need less coaching we need more

802
00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:06,270
coaching from better coaches any better

803
00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:09,750
coaching well when I contrast that with

804
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:10,760
the interview

805
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:13,490
I did last week or like so many

806
00:35:19,210 --> 00:35:15,950
interviews I've done where people do not

807
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:19,220
are not willing to step up and say what

808
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:21,710
I'm offering is affected it's more

809
00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:24,200
effective than these other things for

810
00:35:28,570 --> 00:35:26,270
this reason and they're not going in

811
00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:28,580
this well you know whatever works for

812
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,590
you kind of thing which is fine hey

813
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:32,720
it is about whatever works for you but

814
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:36,380
it's also about being willing to say I'm

815
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,230
gonna step into the arena and measure

816
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:42,560
what I think works against what you

817
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:45,410
think works so I've kind of thrown a lot

818
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:47,450
on the table there you know tell me what

819
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:48,050
you think

820
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:51,650
well so Tony Robbins in I actually have

821
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,540
a similar background he's using what's

822
00:35:58,570 --> 00:35:54,800
called neuro linguistic programming in

823
00:35:59,950 --> 00:35:58,580
that video and the belief by those of us

824
00:36:01,210 --> 00:35:59,960
that come from that lineage is actually

825
00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:01,220
that you can help somebody in ten

826
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:04,940
minutes or an hour that is possible it's

827
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:07,150
not the a pre-sub position of the of

828
00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:09,670
psychologists or therapists you know

829
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:11,960
what he's we could walk through

830
00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:12,950
everything he's doing in there I can't

831
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,180
tell exactly what he's doing how he's

832
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:16,160
doing it the neurological impact that

833
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:18,410
he's making why it's working and earlier

834
00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:21,530
in the video he brought in familiar the

835
00:36:28,810 --> 00:36:26,620
video he the kid or the young man he

836
00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:28,820
remembered back to being too in front of

837
00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:31,790
rocky and bullwinkle and his father

838
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:34,190
start beating his mom and so there was a

839
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,810
there was an association it's that

840
00:36:39,790 --> 00:36:38,000
basically a simple Association that the

841
00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:39,800
kid makes it to that I am the problem

842
00:36:46,330 --> 00:36:43,580
and therefore I can become the solution

843
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:46,340
so me associates I think was Bullwinkle

844
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:48,260
shtetl stutters I'm not as familiar with

845
00:36:55,090 --> 00:36:50,900
that but what he assumed stuttering as a

846
00:36:56,590 --> 00:36:55,100
strategy to effectively feel safe in an

847
00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:56,600
environment that was incredibly unsafe

848
00:37:00,970 --> 00:36:58,250
so what he's essentially doing is

849
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:00,980
creating a way for him to have an

850
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:03,140
alternative opportunity when he feels

851
00:37:06,850 --> 00:37:05,210
unsafe or when he's trying to exist in

852
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:06,860
the world he's giving him more options

853
00:37:12,099 --> 00:37:10,250
through using this thing called NLP

854
00:37:15,490 --> 00:37:12,109
the thing is most coaching is not that

855
00:37:17,319 --> 00:37:15,500
right most coaching is okay I'm gonna

856
00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:17,329
hold okay what do you want kid if they

857
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:18,680
even asked you that question is like I

858
00:37:21,279 --> 00:37:20,089
don't want to stutter and like cool okay

859
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:21,289
you're not gonna stutter I'm gonna hold

860
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:23,480
you accountable okay and you're gonna

861
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:25,150
pay me however many thousands of dollars

862
00:37:28,589 --> 00:37:27,410
and I'm gonna basically yell at you and

863
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:28,599
make you feel shitty for stuttering

864
00:37:33,249 --> 00:37:30,890
that's that is literally what the

865
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,259
coaching industry is and that doesn't

866
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:35,599
work it's not effective something like

867
00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:37,400
what 20 Robbins is doing is effective

868
00:37:42,339 --> 00:37:40,460
and there's there's I have questions

869
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:42,349
about it and how I might approach that

870
00:37:46,450 --> 00:37:44,180
but what he's doing it is very effective

871
00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:46,460
and it's you know if you go back and

872
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:47,990
look at NLP and you go look at the

873
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:49,730
Wikipedia page to do that it's gonna

874
00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:52,640
look just like you know looking up Dean

875
00:37:57,009 --> 00:37:54,740
Radin on Wikipedia it's it's like the

876
00:37:59,440 --> 00:37:57,019
the the parapsychology of the psychology

877
00:38:01,690 --> 00:37:59,450
industry it's it's it's this bastardized

878
00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:01,700
version that's been picked apart and

879
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:03,230
said it can't work because it's too easy

880
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:05,089
it's the the path of least resistance is

881
00:38:08,769 --> 00:38:06,920
too is not okay for us as human beings

882
00:38:09,999 --> 00:38:08,779
to accept that there's a possibility

883
00:38:12,549 --> 00:38:10,009
that there's things out there that are

884
00:38:14,769 --> 00:38:12,559
better than others and the traditional

885
00:38:16,019 --> 00:38:14,779
academic path is the only way so there

886
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,029
is this kind of interesting

887
00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:17,839
juxtaposition here between what he's

888
00:38:23,019 --> 00:38:20,180
doing what 20 Robbins is doing using a

889
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:23,029
technology that's very effective and

890
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:24,710
what the industry as a whole will say

891
00:38:27,249 --> 00:38:25,730
about it

892
00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:27,259
and there's all these studies that will

893
00:38:29,799 --> 00:38:28,430
say that it doesn't work and if you go

894
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:29,809
back and look at the studies they don't

895
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:32,720
actually the research is poorly done and

896
00:38:35,470 --> 00:38:33,950
then everybody references the research

897
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:35,480
is kind of like you know a lot of things

898
00:38:41,769 --> 00:38:38,930
you run into on the show I got to take

899
00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:41,779
issue with you a little bit in it and

900
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:43,160
this is one of the problems I see when

901
00:38:45,849 --> 00:38:44,750
anyone brings up its kind of the same

902
00:38:47,259 --> 00:38:45,859
thing like I was saying with the other

903
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:47,269
guy with 20 rounds oh I know what Tony

904
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:49,910
Robbins is it's goal-setting yeah well i

905
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:53,450
know what Tony Robbins is it's NLP it's

906
00:39:02,249 --> 00:38:57,529
like no you know what Tony Robbins is

907
00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:02,259
Tony Robbins is a really simple idea

908
00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:07,460
success leaves clues that is the essence

909
00:39:14,529 --> 00:39:10,430
of coaching as well it's that if you

910
00:39:17,049 --> 00:39:14,539
want to be better if you want to have

911
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:17,059
something find something that works go

912
00:39:21,099 --> 00:39:18,650
find somebody who can do it

913
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:21,109
that's an LP that's literally an LP

914
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:23,140
that's coaching but that but

915
00:39:26,579 --> 00:39:25,209
it's based on NLP which is based on the

916
00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:26,589
human potential movement which is where

917
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:27,640
I came from but I'm telling you that's

918
00:39:32,819 --> 00:39:31,089
that is help II that's I'm training NLP

919
00:39:35,549 --> 00:39:32,829
that's my coaching methodology I've

920
00:39:39,269 --> 00:39:35,559
studied Bandler and grinder I've studied

921
00:39:42,269 --> 00:39:39,279
NLP I've studied like I told you all the

922
00:39:45,499 --> 00:39:42,279
success literature right and they're all

923
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:45,509
saying the same thing I guess what I'm

924
00:39:52,289 --> 00:39:49,599
challenging you on is to see I kind of

925
00:39:55,769 --> 00:39:52,299
feel in a tiny way if I can poke at you

926
00:39:59,459 --> 00:39:55,779
that you're in too deep to take a step

927
00:40:02,249 --> 00:39:59,469
back and realize the the power that you

928
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:02,259
bring as a coach and the difference that

929
00:40:07,529 --> 00:40:04,150
you bring as a coach and maybe you

930
00:40:10,019 --> 00:40:07,539
realize that but I guess that's what I

931
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:10,029
want to kind of highlight and celebrate

932
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:13,930
is that hey this idea that I love the

933
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:15,609
way you said it at the beginning that

934
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:20,079
the true coach is not it is coaching you

935
00:40:23,549 --> 00:40:21,640
towards your potential it's

936
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,559
individualized saying where are you

937
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:25,359
trying to get and it's getting that and

938
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:29,140
that is such a different model from what

939
00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:31,569
will you see out there in what we see

940
00:40:38,249 --> 00:40:34,420
happening and I'm not even gonna let you

941
00:40:41,279 --> 00:40:38,259
respond to that oh come on because I

942
00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:41,289
want you to respond to it in the context

943
00:40:47,489 --> 00:40:44,920
of some other what what works what

944
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:47,499
doesn't and then at the end we're gonna

945
00:40:54,509 --> 00:40:51,660
put that really to the test of what

946
00:40:56,660 --> 00:40:54,519
transcend the you the podcast experience

947
00:41:02,640 --> 00:40:56,670
you're creating and what that might mean

948
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:02,650
there okay so with so with that let me

949
00:41:08,759 --> 00:41:06,130
tell you what else I think works this is

950
00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:08,769
personally what I think works you know

951
00:41:13,799 --> 00:41:11,229
it works yoga works so I'm gonna stand

952
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:13,809
up now and say my switch hats and say oh

953
00:41:17,999 --> 00:41:16,569
no it's not Tony Robbins it's not NLP

954
00:41:21,209 --> 00:41:18,009
it's not coaching whatever we want to

955
00:41:24,779 --> 00:41:21,219
put it yoga yoga works and here's my

956
00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:24,789
buddy wim HOF and I yell a year ago I've

957
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:27,640
been doing yoga for too many decades to

958
00:41:32,549 --> 00:41:29,529
talk about and not be embarrassed about

959
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:32,559
my age but I found it extremely

960
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:34,930
effective but one year ago I discovered

961
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,940
wim HOF

962
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:37,680
and I discovered his breathing

963
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:40,140
techniques in his ice bath technique

964
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:41,970
were you good there I am sitting in a

965
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:44,040
looking out of the ocean but sitting in

966
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:48,180
a 35 degree tub you know and to me what

967
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:51,720
that means is what I've shared on this

968
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,930
show what I picked up from Rickett good

969
00:41:59,780 --> 00:41:56,640
at the gas pump in his interview with

970
00:42:04,670 --> 00:41:59,790
the hugging saint of world what world

971
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:04,680
it's yoga to me is transcending the idea

972
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:07,650
that we are completely tied to this

973
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:10,410
world and loosening that up a little bit

974
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:12,810
so that we can see that we're in the

975
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,450
middle in this other way too and that

976
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:17,760
we're in the middle of this world and

977
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,760
some completely world some completely

978
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:22,440
different world that transcends this

979
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:26,610
world and yoga is a way that that kind

980
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:31,590
of really drives that home for me in

981
00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:36,170
terms of helping me see that you know

982
00:42:43,610 --> 00:42:40,230
world what world so tell me how that

983
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:43,620
relates to what you're learning and

984
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:49,320
experiencing with transcend yeah I love

985
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:51,210
I love you bring up yoga I've done yoga

986
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:53,580
before but it was for a girl so I don't

987
00:43:00,140 --> 00:42:55,650
think that it was a very effective

988
00:43:03,590 --> 00:43:00,150
spiritual experience but you're into

989
00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:03,600
that Tantra stuff oh yeah well she was

990
00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:04,920
into yoga and meditation was like I'll

991
00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:07,590
give it a try but yeah it was just I was

992
00:43:15,620 --> 00:43:11,190
just there to be there but yeah you know

993
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:15,630
with the world what world I remember I

994
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:17,970
think I heard the story was the hugging

995
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:19,950
Saint where someone had asked her about

996
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:24,510
why she's doing all this and and it was

997
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:25,500
like you know you're helping all these

998
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:26,820
people and you're out digging the

999
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:28,290
latrines I think it is but how you told

1000
00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:30,090
the story and she said world what world

1001
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,180
and and you know what transcend

1002
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:36,160
I don't know this is where you're going

1003
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:37,660
with a question but this is this is how

1004
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:39,490
that at least that story that you told

1005
00:43:44,339 --> 00:43:41,410
about world what world relates to me in

1006
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:44,349
that she just kind of doing it because

1007
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,460
that's what she's doing

1008
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:47,440
it's it's like a self-contained

1009
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,900
experience for AMA doesn't seem that

1010
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:54,160
she's doing it because it's all these

1011
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:55,420
people that she's helping that's just

1012
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:56,710
that's just what she's doing it's her

1013
00:44:01,260 --> 00:43:58,690
job it's how she is expressing in the

1014
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:01,270
world and I feel transcend for me as a

1015
00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:02,470
similar flavor like I said in the

1016
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:05,140
beginning the the the name transcend for

1017
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:07,180
me as a question and that's what I want

1018
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:09,730
to solve for and I and I believe it will

1019
00:44:13,289 --> 00:44:11,770
help a lot of people on the way and I'm

1020
00:44:15,329 --> 00:44:13,299
gonna try to be as effective in that way

1021
00:44:17,579 --> 00:44:15,339
but it's because the joy for me of doing

1022
00:44:20,359 --> 00:44:17,589
this project of of asking the tough in

1023
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:20,369
big questions and being curious about

1024
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:23,109
what is what are we transcending if

1025
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:25,510
anything where are we going which is an

1026
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:28,210
unanswerable question and that to me is

1027
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:29,950
the world what world moment where I'm

1028
00:44:36,299 --> 00:44:34,720
saying great okay and I'm gonna keep

1029
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:36,309
doing this until it doesn't solve that

1030
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,440
for me anymore it doesn't provide that

1031
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:41,920
resource of curiosity that it does right

1032
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:44,049
now where I get a lot of joy a where I'm

1033
00:44:47,849 --> 00:44:45,369
sitting in my studio banging my head

1034
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:47,859
against my frickin desk because I'm

1035
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,880
trying to tell story I don't know how

1036
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:50,940
you know I'm not trained as a journalist

1037
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:55,690
but I I just love the process which is

1038
00:44:59,519 --> 00:44:57,970
cool and maybe this doesn't relate as

1039
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,529
much to what you're doing right now but

1040
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:01,839
I kind of think we're on the edge of

1041
00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:04,720
finding that connection because the real

1042
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:07,480
part of that story you kind of told two

1043
00:45:11,849 --> 00:45:09,190
parts there and I'm gonna pick up on

1044
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:11,859
both I mean the first part is hey I'm

1045
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,569
doing this to get to a place where I

1046
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:16,240
could understand and what I see in Alma

1047
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,680
and in some other spiritually advanced

1048
00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:22,240
if we can say that kind of thing people

1049
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:25,240
is they've already gotten a little bit

1050
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,630
further down the path to where they're

1051
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,079
not really that interested in doing per

1052
00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:34,720
se they're not excited like you and I

1053
00:45:41,309 --> 00:45:38,260
are about the next show the next I am

1054
00:45:45,539 --> 00:45:41,319
I'm excited about that I am excited

1055
00:45:47,849 --> 00:45:45,549
about whether my kids turn out to be you

1056
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:47,859
know what I hope they can

1057
00:45:52,380 --> 00:45:49,960
NBD in terms of all their potential and

1058
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,390
all that but what about people who have

1059
00:45:57,690 --> 00:45:54,880
transcended that have gotten to the

1060
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,700
other side like a lot of mystics and

1061
00:46:01,920 --> 00:45:59,920
spiritual people tell us that there is

1062
00:46:03,809 --> 00:46:01,930
this kind of non dual nature to it there

1063
00:46:06,839 --> 00:46:03,819
is this kind of nothing there kind of

1064
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:06,849
thing but the beauty of it and I think

1065
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:08,470
and that's the part of her story that I

1066
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:11,049
think is so beautiful is this person

1067
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:14,920
comes back though it says no I'm still

1068
00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:17,170
digging the trains you would look at me

1069
00:46:22,829 --> 00:46:19,390
and you wouldn't see any transcendence

1070
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:22,839
you would say Jane she's a strong back

1071
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:24,700
well Indian woman who can dig them

1072
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:26,529
latrines and hug them people you know

1073
00:46:33,479 --> 00:46:30,609
and world what world it's no difference

1074
00:46:36,479 --> 00:46:33,489
it's sitting in that ice ice bath it's

1075
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:36,489
cold it's not cold it doesn't make any

1076
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:39,430
difference don't get too attached to

1077
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:43,650
what you think is happening here and

1078
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:47,440
does that maybe lie ahead in your path

1079
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:49,569
maybe that's is that part of that pisode

1080
00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:53,920
three then my very much very well might

1081
00:46:59,819 --> 00:46:57,369
be I feel like there are moments where I

1082
00:47:01,440 --> 00:46:59,829
really I think they're like flow state

1083
00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:01,450
moments where I'm working on and I get

1084
00:47:05,279 --> 00:47:03,640
kind of in that just oneness of it where

1085
00:47:09,289 --> 00:47:05,289
I'm just one with the project it's a

1086
00:47:10,859 --> 00:47:09,299
very much an artistic expression and

1087
00:47:12,479 --> 00:47:10,869
then there are a lot of really

1088
00:47:14,249 --> 00:47:12,489
uncomfortable moments of either try

1089
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:14,259
telling a story that's uncomfortable or

1090
00:47:19,739 --> 00:47:17,920
just not knowing what I'm doing and and

1091
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:19,749
I don't know if I'm gonna get there I

1092
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,730
don't know that I I don't know I don't

1093
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:23,680
know that I want to get there and maybe

1094
00:47:27,029 --> 00:47:25,180
I do but right now I really am enjoying

1095
00:47:29,339 --> 00:47:27,039
the excitement of working on the next

1096
00:47:32,489 --> 00:47:29,349
thing and the excitement of where my

1097
00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:32,499
kids are going and the excitement of you

1098
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:33,819
know maybe someday picking up a lake

1099
00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:35,230
house like there are certain aspects of

1100
00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:36,700
being in the culture that we live in and

1101
00:47:39,809 --> 00:47:37,720
being in the world that we live in that

1102
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,819
I'm enjoying and I don't know what I

1103
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:41,920
would feel like to be so so detached

1104
00:47:47,249 --> 00:47:44,470
from that and in a in a choice way where

1105
00:47:49,769 --> 00:47:47,259
I'm not attached you know choosing to be

1106
00:47:51,809 --> 00:47:49,779
detached in a spiritual sense um how I

1107
00:47:54,089 --> 00:47:51,819
would feel I imagine if I'm there that's

1108
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,099
a great place to be but I mean what

1109
00:47:59,350 --> 00:47:55,599
about you if your excitement of the next

1110
00:48:01,660 --> 00:47:59,360
episode like is that

1111
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:01,670
are you looking to transcend at that

1112
00:48:05,110 --> 00:48:03,110
point or are you I mean is there is

1113
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:05,120
there a choice there about that that is

1114
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:07,250
available or how do you feel about it in

1115
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:08,690
the context of you know you're at what

1116
00:48:11,650 --> 00:48:10,310
four hundred some-odd or three hundred

1117
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:11,660
four hundred five hundred episodes of

1118
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:15,500
sceptical no questions Jeff just answers

1119
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:20,570
I really I really don't mind answering

1120
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:22,910
that question but I tell you I'm gonna

1121
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:24,770
push forward with it because I think I

1122
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:26,450
answer it all the time I want to get

1123
00:48:30,220 --> 00:48:27,710
more out of even and there's because

1124
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:30,230
you've kind of teed up the next one here

1125
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:31,910
so let's just go forward and I'll try

1126
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:33,590
and answer that to the extent that it's

1127
00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:37,520
necessary in this because let's remind

1128
00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:40,790
people what we're doing we've taken on

1129
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:44,630
the task of really saying looking at

1130
00:48:50,350 --> 00:48:47,870
honestly what works what doesn't in

1131
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:50,360
being willing to make some kind of value

1132
00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:53,690
statements in terms of just not not

1133
00:49:00,600 --> 00:48:57,380
falling for the spiritual relativism of

1134
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:00,610
just well you know there's many paths to

1135
00:49:04,540 --> 00:49:03,230
transcend or to whatever it's like now

1136
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:04,550
some are more effective than others

1137
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:07,370
let's find out what they are so I Rupert

1138
00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:10,430
Sheldrake has been Oro in and around the

1139
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,990
show for a long time he's been a

1140
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:14,720
terrific mentor and a guest for me but I

1141
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:16,340
had him on recently to talk about his

1142
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:20,030
book science and spiritual practices and

1143
00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:23,510
I pushed him pretty hard on the religion

1144
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:26,840
thing because this is another one of

1145
00:49:34,210 --> 00:49:30,970
those areas that hey this is what works

1146
00:49:36,910 --> 00:49:34,220
religion works Christianity in Rupert's

1147
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:36,920
case this is what works Jeff you don't

1148
00:49:42,550 --> 00:49:38,390
need to go any further than that

1149
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:42,560
so let me play this clip from dr.

1150
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:44,570
Sheldrick and then we'll chat about it a

1151
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:46,700
little bit I have an auction living here

1152
00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:49,640
in Hampstead England on Sundays I can

1153
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:51,020
stay at home and leave the Sunday

1154
00:49:57,460 --> 00:49:52,970
newspapers and I can meditate which I do

1155
00:50:00,310 --> 00:49:57,470
anyway every day and or I can go to a

1156
00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:00,320
church service on Sunday morning where I

1157
00:50:05,410 --> 00:50:03,020
sing beautiful hymns as incredibly

1158
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:05,420
beautiful music as a community of people

1159
00:50:11,290 --> 00:50:09,200
I like and respect I take part in a

1160
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:11,300
communion that for me is important the

1161
00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:12,530
Holy Communion

1162
00:50:17,950 --> 00:50:14,780
and I take part in collective prayers

1163
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:17,960
for the welfare of local people and

1164
00:50:22,930 --> 00:50:20,630
people all over the world and I usually

1165
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,940
emerge from that experience feeling

1166
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:25,040
uplifted and inspired and I receive a

1167
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:26,990
blessing from a priest and beautiful

1168
00:50:32,590 --> 00:50:30,230
robes and I emerge from that feeling

1169
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:32,600
uplifted and inspired okay let's stop

1170
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:37,040
right there you know I love this because

1171
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:38,810
there's not really much to argue with

1172
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:41,270
but of course that's a big opportunity

1173
00:50:46,930 --> 00:50:43,910
for me to drive a Mack truck through

1174
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:46,940
that one and that is that you know yeah

1175
00:50:51,850 --> 00:50:49,790
Rupert it's hard to argue that you know

1176
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:51,860
going in being a part of your community

1177
00:50:57,790 --> 00:50:54,710
and connecting to your deep spiritual

1178
00:51:01,900 --> 00:50:57,800
nature is probably better than washing

1179
00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:01,910
your car but is it enough when you walk

1180
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:04,550
into that church like I still have

1181
00:51:08,170 --> 00:51:06,590
occasion to do a couple of times even

1182
00:51:08,590 --> 00:51:08,180
though I have to grit my teeth when I do

1183
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:08,600
it

1184
00:51:12,340 --> 00:51:10,970
but I feel like maybe for family or for

1185
00:51:17,350 --> 00:51:12,350
other reasons it's kind of a good thing

1186
00:51:20,290 --> 00:51:17,360
to do I'm face to face with folks who

1187
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,300
are not asking these obvious questions

1188
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:22,880
about whether this is real I mean not

1189
00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:25,910
not real in the spiritual sense real in

1190
00:51:32,170 --> 00:51:28,790
the stories that are attached and tagged

1191
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:32,180
along with this about this guy who lived

1192
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,630
in what he did and all this stuff and

1193
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:37,760
it's like the old thing of somebody you

1194
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:39,650
know mince ale some he'll tell you three

1195
00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:42,470
things that you absolutely agree with so

1196
00:51:46,210 --> 00:51:44,180
we can say that fourth thing and you're

1197
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:46,220
now in the habit of saying yeah yeah

1198
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,010
yeah and Jesus was the only begotten Son

1199
00:51:55,630 --> 00:51:50,720
and you died on the third day and it

1200
00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:55,640
yeah you know so is it enough is it

1201
00:52:02,350 --> 00:51:59,240
enough is it enough to stop where dr.

1202
00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:02,360
sheldricks stopping or do we need to

1203
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:05,600
push forward does the truth matter and I

1204
00:52:10,510 --> 00:52:07,670
would you know you can tackle it from

1205
00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:10,520
the the Christian or the religious

1206
00:52:14,590 --> 00:52:12,350
perspective but that's not really your

1207
00:52:17,380 --> 00:52:14,600
thing I would even just broaden it up

1208
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:17,390
and say does the truth matter do we in

1209
00:52:23,470 --> 00:52:21,200
this quest for what works what doesn't

1210
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:23,480
how much do we have to care about the

1211
00:52:31,060 --> 00:52:27,880
there are some assumptions that question

1212
00:52:36,850 --> 00:52:31,070
as to who is who is we in this and why

1213
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:36,860
and who does it matter - because if it's

1214
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:38,690
if it's us individually yes sure I mean

1215
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:40,100
you and I will probably both agree on

1216
00:52:46,329 --> 00:52:43,460
hey yeah we don't go to church for a

1217
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,259
in a broader sense it gets a bit complex

1218
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:52,559
when we start asking that question

1219
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:56,099
because to me and correct me if I'm

1220
00:52:59,839 --> 00:52:57,569
wrong the intention of the question is

1221
00:53:01,759 --> 00:52:59,849
is about progress or about growth if

1222
00:53:04,789 --> 00:53:01,769
we're if we're if we're buying into

1223
00:53:07,579 --> 00:53:04,799
historical Jesus and it's not true then

1224
00:53:09,229 --> 00:53:07,589
we need to reevaluate things so that we

1225
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:09,239
can take steps forward in a more

1226
00:53:14,299 --> 00:53:12,359
positive direction perhaps well let me

1227
00:53:16,489 --> 00:53:14,309
jump in there with this yeah because we

1228
00:53:18,859 --> 00:53:16,499
do need to move it beyond Christianity

1229
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:18,869
because that's a sinkhole and people get

1230
00:53:23,269 --> 00:53:20,609
stuck stuck in it they just can't hear

1231
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,279
you know I'd bring it back to the

1232
00:53:28,339 --> 00:53:26,160
conspiracy thing and I'll add a tiny

1233
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:28,349
little story you know I just heard Greg

1234
00:53:33,529 --> 00:53:30,689
a terrific interview that good Carl

1235
00:53:36,799 --> 00:53:33,539
would did the other day with this 9/11

1236
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,809
truth filmmaker from Italy Massimo I

1237
00:53:40,699 --> 00:53:38,880
forget his last name I'll try and put it

1238
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:40,709
up on the screen maybe fill it in after

1239
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:42,329
on the video but he said a really

1240
00:53:46,909 --> 00:53:44,130
profound thing this about 9/11 but it

1241
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:46,919
totally applies to all these things he

1242
00:53:50,779 --> 00:53:48,329
goes you know really at this point it's

1243
00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:50,789
a psychological issue it really isn't an

1244
00:53:55,459 --> 00:53:52,739
evidence issue or a data issue and

1245
00:53:58,189 --> 00:53:55,469
anyone who's looked into 9/11 there's

1246
00:54:01,699 --> 00:53:58,199
just the fundamental truth to that you

1247
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:01,709
know I mean his point though is what I

1248
00:54:07,219 --> 00:54:04,859
want it's a psychological issue so

1249
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:07,229
that's what I'd say about you know the

1250
00:54:11,539 --> 00:54:09,209
historical Jesus kind of thing that's

1251
00:54:14,419 --> 00:54:11,549
what I'd say about people who get

1252
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:14,429
attached to therapy you know if we're

1253
00:54:18,140 --> 00:54:16,380
gonna say we're gonna talk NLP you don't

1254
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:18,150
really into that and that's really the

1255
00:54:24,799 --> 00:54:21,209
only way these beliefs that we hold on

1256
00:54:26,929 --> 00:54:24,809
to become such in so important to us and

1257
00:54:30,459 --> 00:54:26,939
we're so unwilling to give them up that

1258
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:30,469
that is really the the psychological

1259
00:54:38,269 --> 00:54:34,169
cook that holds us back is we're not

1260
00:54:41,029 --> 00:54:38,279
willing to say is this true as the best

1261
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:41,039
way that I can figure it out and am I

1262
00:54:46,489 --> 00:54:42,900
willing to live with the

1263
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:46,499
uncomfortableness of okay that isn't

1264
00:54:49,809 --> 00:54:47,099
true

1265
00:54:52,999 --> 00:54:49,819
in the way that I thought it was

1266
00:54:56,029 --> 00:54:53,009
psychotherapy doesn't work in the way

1267
00:54:58,939 --> 00:54:56,039
that I thought it does Freud was a

1268
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:58,949
complete charlatan and if he was alive

1269
00:55:02,720 --> 00:54:59,880
today he

1270
00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:02,730
just be completely it just be ridiculous

1271
00:55:08,029 --> 00:55:05,640
no one would just be a laughingstock

1272
00:55:10,759 --> 00:55:08,039
right so I don't have to pretend like

1273
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,769
you know that's that's real in that

1274
00:55:16,249 --> 00:55:13,200
sense but I can pick out carts of it

1275
00:55:18,019 --> 00:55:16,259
that are tested in a way that and you

1276
00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:18,029
see where I'm going with all this so

1277
00:55:22,609 --> 00:55:20,339
that's what I mean when I say more

1278
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:22,619
broadly does the truth matter

1279
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:26,099
are we compelled to constantly be

1280
00:55:31,339 --> 00:55:29,640
looking for that evidence base truth

1281
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:31,349
beyond our personal truth you know

1282
00:55:37,339 --> 00:55:34,799
because contrasting that with oh my this

1283
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:37,349
is my experience thing saying well you

1284
00:55:40,999 --> 00:55:39,690
know here's what the data tells us you

1285
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:41,009
get a sense of what I'm saying

1286
00:55:46,249 --> 00:55:44,190
yeah and that's I think that's the

1287
00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:46,259
important thing to focus on is it's it's

1288
00:55:52,249 --> 00:55:48,920
not really about the truth it's about

1289
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,259
how do we move people to think in a way

1290
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:54,000
that enables them to move towards the

1291
00:55:58,099 --> 00:55:55,500
truth and I think there's a distinction

1292
00:55:59,960 --> 00:55:58,109
there and are we focused on the endgame

1293
00:56:02,059 --> 00:55:59,970
are we focused on the journey of how do

1294
00:56:03,529 --> 00:56:02,069
we get them there and it's really funny

1295
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:03,539
because the first time I listened to

1296
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:05,970
skeptic Oh was a it was a Joe at well

1297
00:56:09,980 --> 00:56:08,220
episode and I was like I can't listen to

1298
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:09,990
this you know I'm not Christian but I

1299
00:56:13,279 --> 00:56:11,250
was like what is this guy talking about

1300
00:56:15,529 --> 00:56:13,289
and and it was you know and I turned it

1301
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:15,539
off and it took me a while to come back

1302
00:56:20,359 --> 00:56:17,369
to it and when I did I started in

1303
00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:20,369
episode 1 and I got to go on skeptical

1304
00:56:24,049 --> 00:56:22,200
journey so that when I listen to an

1305
00:56:25,249 --> 00:56:24,059
episode now like you know I'd haven't

1306
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:25,259
listened the most recent well with with

1307
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:27,089
Christopher Noel's but when I listen to

1308
00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:28,319
that I'm not going to be like this guy

1309
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,390
at what is he talking about

1310
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:32,160
because I've been on the journey there's

1311
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:34,470
been a transformation for me to see and

1312
00:56:38,839 --> 00:56:36,900
go through the process of all of those

1313
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:38,849
moments of like how can this be how can

1314
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:39,630
this be

1315
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:43,980
that I could get to where I am now and

1316
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,799
I'm probably still well on my way in

1317
00:56:50,539 --> 00:56:49,440
that journey and and and that's what

1318
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:50,549
happens when I tell people about

1319
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:51,990
skeptical all the time but I always tell

1320
00:56:55,999 --> 00:56:54,059
them with this huge caveat you cannot

1321
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:56,009
start the latest episode you've got to

1322
00:57:00,259 --> 00:56:57,420
go back to the beginning because you

1323
00:57:01,940 --> 00:57:00,269
won't if you listen to that episode the

1324
00:57:03,740 --> 00:57:01,950
recent ones you're not going to be able

1325
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:03,750
to handle it you're just not there you

1326
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:05,490
need to go on that journey so that you

1327
00:57:09,529 --> 00:57:07,170
can open yourself up to that possibility

1328
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:09,539
what it means to be skeptical what it

1329
00:57:13,770 --> 00:57:11,910
means to to change your perspective what

1330
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:13,780
it means to feel the discomfort

1331
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:15,610
and survive it and go through the

1332
00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:17,170
discomfort and of having those nights

1333
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:18,190
where you can't sleep because you're

1334
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:21,040
going what what is reality what what

1335
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does it mean to be a member of this this

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00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:25,450
country what does that even mean anymore

1337
00:57:31,110 --> 00:57:28,450
and these questions that come up through

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00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:31,120
that process each step gets you a little

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00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:32,830
bit closer to the possibility of being

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00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:35,110
in that state of being okay in the

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00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:37,180
middle you know being okay in the

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00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:38,830
journey without a destination without

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00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:41,380
knowing what the answer is and moving

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00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:44,560
towards it I think to me at least the

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00:57:48,030 --> 00:57:46,180
more important thing is not the truth

1346
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:48,040
even though I think you and I personally

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00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:50,530
both enjoy the truth but that to me is a

1348
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:53,530
fun journey but but in terms of the the

1349
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:56,050
larger question it's not about the truth

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00:57:59,340 --> 00:57:57,460
it's about how to how do we move people

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00:58:02,430 --> 00:57:59,350
towards that how do we help them feel

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00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:02,440
comfortable identifying or thinking in a

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00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,260
way that enables them to find it I

1354
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:06,640
really like that and I think it's a

1355
00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:10,240
great way to maybe come back to this

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00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:12,700
project that you're working on transcend

1357
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:19,150
and maybe talking some more about how

1358
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:21,130
how that how all this stuff relates

1359
00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:22,870
because I think you just did you know so

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00:58:27,150 --> 00:58:25,180
I'm kind of struggling with what more is

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00:58:30,330 --> 00:58:27,160
there to add but I want to check and see

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00:58:33,570 --> 00:58:30,340
if there is more to add you know one of

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00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:33,580
the things that is pretty unique and

1364
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:36,250
about your show and your approach is

1365
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:39,670
it's this two-part thing where you

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00:58:45,210 --> 00:58:42,540
engage people in a storytelling

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00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:45,220
component where they're just basically

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00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:47,890
telling their story and then a second

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00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:50,920
part where you're and I love this I mean

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00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:54,940
you're engaging right you're doing what

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00:59:01,560 --> 00:58:58,810
I guess I wanted to hear and what I was

1372
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:01,570
advocating before is you're engaging

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00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:04,260
them and poking them and not in a

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00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:06,280
confrontational way but just in a way of

1375
00:59:11,850 --> 00:59:08,680
saying hey how does this really relate

1376
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,860
you're engaging them in the process that

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00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:12,880
they went through

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00:59:19,580 --> 00:59:16,720
you're not leaving it at story you know

1379
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:19,590
because I think we do that too much we

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00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:22,390
we we so want to say your experience

1381
00:59:27,390 --> 00:59:25,710
your experience and part of that is a

1382
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:27,400
very appropriate

1383
00:59:31,319 --> 00:59:29,890
response to this biological robot

1384
00:59:33,539 --> 00:59:31,329
meaningless universe thing that says you

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00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:33,549
have no experience oh that's not even

1386
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:35,380
really you know really when we get down

1387
00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:36,400
to it you don't really have an

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00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:38,920
experience so we need to celebrate the

1389
00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:41,500
fact that we do have experience but then

1390
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,500
I like where you're at which is coming

1391
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:46,720
around it at the at the end inside okay

1392
00:59:53,069 --> 00:59:49,569
let's dive in and let's put a whole

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00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:53,079
process which you do in the weeks beyond

1394
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,710
the the story in terms of deconstructing

1395
01:00:02,400 --> 00:59:59,200
that story and what the lessons are and

1396
01:00:04,289 --> 01:00:02,410
how we move forward from it so can you

1397
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,299
talk to all of that and what you're

1398
01:00:10,829 --> 01:00:07,200
trying to do and how you see that going

1399
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:10,839
yeah it really follows a lot of other

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01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:13,599
things that I believe and inform my work

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01:00:19,049 --> 01:00:15,970
I've tried to translate into media and

1402
01:00:20,730 --> 01:00:19,059
so we start with the story because I

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01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,740
want people to feel what that person

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01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:23,200
went through but it's but nobody will

1405
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,760
deny someone's experience right like if

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01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:26,319
someone has a near-death experience and

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01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:27,940
you hear the story and it's a compelling

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01:00:32,099 --> 01:00:29,650
story you're not gonna say well that

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01:00:33,390 --> 01:00:32,109
didn't happen you're just gonna say you

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01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:33,400
know if you're skeptical or you're a

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01:00:36,690 --> 01:00:34,930
materialist you might say well I'm gonna

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01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:36,700
try to explain how this happened but you

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01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:39,609
might still engage with the story and by

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01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:41,410
doing that what we're doing is we're

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01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,750
disarming people from from immediately

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01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:46,240
rejecting the content outright we're

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01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:47,770
bringing them on a journey we're having

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01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:49,210
them feel what it feels like by

1419
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:50,799
identifying with the character in the

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01:00:55,620 --> 01:00:52,089
story he was a real person

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01:00:58,529 --> 01:00:55,630
and in going on that journey so so in in

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01:01:00,660 --> 01:00:58,539
in a sense the story enables the initial

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01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:00,670
transformation through emotion the

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01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,640
follow-up interview is to then inform

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01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:05,680
some of the the process some of the how

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01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:08,079
some of the the details that went there

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01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:11,470
some of the more tangible stuff so that

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01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:12,970
people can then not only feel it but

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01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,170
then have something to walk away with

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01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:16,000
and then of course every week thereafter

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01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:17,950
we send follow-up content and we're

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01:01:21,390 --> 01:01:19,450
always deconstructing over the course of

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01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,400
the month because we want to keep that

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01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:23,680
process going keeps keep expanding those

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01:01:29,490 --> 01:01:26,950
those those avenues and opening people

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01:01:31,830 --> 01:01:29,500
up so so we're really

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01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:31,840
it's it is very thought out is it gonna

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01:01:36,270 --> 01:01:34,200
work I don't know it's still too early

1439
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:36,280
it'll probably look different in the

1440
01:01:41,070 --> 01:01:38,110
future but that's kind of the goals how

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01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:41,080
do we use media in a way that can help

1442
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:42,730
somebody actually go on a transforming

1443
01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:44,440
experience how can they how can I get

1444
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,180
somebody in an episode and over a course

1445
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:48,400
of a month ago from sceptical episode 1

1446
01:01:54,570 --> 01:01:50,890
to skip so skeptical episode 400 and

1447
01:01:57,030 --> 01:01:54,580
feel okay about that and so some of

1448
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,040
those topics I want to be getting into

1449
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,680
or some of these bigger topics and you

1450
01:02:05,250 --> 01:02:01,440
know things like near-death experience

1451
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:05,260
mediumship you know the reincarnation

1452
01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:06,400
stuff like these some of these things

1453
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,300
that I find really fascinating

1454
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,280
philosophy Bernardo cash trips work like

1455
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:11,680
I want to bring that into an environment

1456
01:02:15,330 --> 01:02:13,690
where we can deconstruct it through a

1457
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:15,340
story so people have reference they

1458
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:16,990
won't deny it they won't say this is not

1459
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:20,110
true they can make their determination

1460
01:02:23,790 --> 01:02:21,760
about it but I'm trying to kind of find

1461
01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:23,800
that way of helping them take a step

1462
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:25,750
forward without it being an immediate

1463
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:28,960
rejection so this is BS or you know it

1464
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,230
is just not possible that's awesome it

1465
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,720
really is and it shines through just

1466
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:36,160
brilliantly in the first two episodes

1467
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:39,760
which are terrific and really encourage

1468
01:02:44,730 --> 01:02:43,060
people to check out transcend experience

1469
01:02:47,610 --> 01:02:44,740
it's pretty easy to find you'll find it

1470
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:47,620
in the show notes so Jeff and the time

1471
01:02:53,070 --> 01:02:50,110
that we have left and you know tell us

1472
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:53,080
more about you you did kind of tee up

1473
01:02:57,150 --> 01:02:55,030
where you're going with this tell us how

1474
01:02:59,400 --> 01:02:57,160
it's going so far you said it kinda has

1475
01:03:03,240 --> 01:02:59,410
gotten off to a really good start which

1476
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,250
is great news so how is it going it's

1477
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:05,200
it's a process I mean I'm treating this

1478
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:08,110
like like a startup company in the sense

1479
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,450
of how I'm approaching it so it's a lot

1480
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:12,400
of learning a lot of failing as quickly

1481
01:03:17,850 --> 01:03:14,440
as I can and and that means that there's

1482
01:03:19,860 --> 01:03:17,860
some tough days working on it but every

1483
01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:19,870
day at the end I walk away grateful that

1484
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,400
I get to do this and it's something I'm

1485
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:23,680
really proud of and excited about and

1486
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:24,940
it's something I'm happy to talk about

1487
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:26,170
when someone asked me what do you do I

1488
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:27,520
actually if something I can share now

1489
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:30,970
that that feels good and and my wife

1490
01:03:36,350 --> 01:03:33,420
won't get mad at me for being creepy so

1491
01:03:38,070 --> 01:03:36,360
yeah I don't know where it's gonna go

1492
01:03:39,690 --> 01:03:38,080
you know what is it gonna look like in

1493
01:03:41,940 --> 01:03:39,700
ten years I don't know but I have a ten

1494
01:03:43,410 --> 01:03:41,950
year time horizon I'm not gonna let up

1495
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,420
on this project I think it

1496
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:45,760
worth while and I think there's some

1497
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,650
really exciting opportunities to explore

1498
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:49,599
people's experience but do it in a way

1499
01:03:54,299 --> 01:03:52,030
that takes that next step and and so

1500
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:54,309
keep chugging along and being right

1501
01:03:58,140 --> 01:03:56,170
there and having my own transformation

1502
01:03:59,549 --> 01:03:58,150
through the process and continue to you

1503
01:04:01,440 --> 01:03:59,559
know be curious about that question of

1504
01:04:02,539 --> 01:04:01,450
what does it mean to transcend and we'll

1505
01:04:05,069 --> 01:04:02,549
see where it goes

1506
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:05,079
awesome Jeff thanks for being here and

1507
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:11,220
thanks again to Jeff riddle for joining

1508
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:14,140
me today on skeptic oh one question I

1509
01:04:19,740 --> 01:04:15,609
guess I'd have to tee up from this

1510
01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:19,750
interview is what do you think about

1511
01:04:25,620 --> 01:04:22,900
Jeff's idea that we're always in the

1512
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,630
middle we're always in the middle I

1513
01:04:31,410 --> 01:04:28,480
think it's a powerful way to look at

1514
01:04:34,289 --> 01:04:31,420
these issues surrounding personal change

1515
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:34,299
personal growth transcendence spiritual

1516
01:04:38,819 --> 01:04:36,970
growth and all those things but what do

1517
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:38,829
you think what is the personal meaning

1518
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:41,170
for you of always being in the middle or

1519
01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:43,930
maybe you think it doesn't fit so do let

1520
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:44,200
me know

1521
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:47,650
tell me drop me a comment here send me

1522
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:50,529
an email jump onto the skeptical forum

1523
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:52,680
which I always love to see people

1524
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,089
interact on the skeptical forum and

1525
01:05:00,960 --> 01:04:57,039
interact with me on the skeptical forum

1526
01:05:02,819 --> 01:05:00,970
so if that suits you please do it lots

1527
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:02,829
of interesting shows coming up super

1528
01:05:09,089 --> 01:05:05,369
excited about bringing them all to you

1529
01:05:12,210 --> 01:05:09,099
until next time take care and bye for

1530
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:12,220
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